A weekly podcast for creatives about the creative process. Learn how to finish what you start, ship your work, and build a business without yelling.

What if you didn’t have to “out noise” your “competition.”

What if you didn’t have to hustle your face off to get a couple clients? 

What if “marketing” felt fu*king good. What if you didn’t have to do it their way?

“Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.” – Rumi

How many times have you stopped right before the wheels left the runway? How many dead ideas do you have lingering around sucking your energy?

How frequently do you get distracted by another idea before you finish the one you started….?

For us, it’s a lot…a sh*t ton. It’s embarrassing…

But we’ve learned some stuff.

This podcast exists to get you through “it”. 

As a creative living in a loud world, it’s easy to get overwhelmed and distracted. It’s not hard to fall out of momentum.

So, we’re here to be brutally honest about what has worked for us and our guests.

We’ll give you ideas, stories, and mental models around the creative process, building your sustainable business, and riding the emotional wave that comes with it.

Twice a month, we’ll have conversations that will help you stay focused and get into momentum. We’ll give you permission to do things your way.

The way that feels good.


“Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.” – Rumi

Meet the Hosts

Miles Hanson

Brand Designer on a mission to help 500 brands go from wandering to thriving using story, strategy, and design. I love exploring the creative process, energy management, minimalist marketing, and powerful branding. I love playing the guitar, climbing, frozen mangos, coffee, and a nice cold west coast IPA. I’m from Austin, TX, lived in Denver for 4 years, and am currently seeing if I’m a “beach guy” in LA. 🙂

Bill Small

Not long ago, someone asked me, “What do you create?” I had to think for a minute… Then I replied, “I create music and conversations!” It’s true. That’s what I do. I make music. I coach amazing people. I have conversations that make a difference. I ride my bike when I can, and try to be a good dad.

The Box

A container for creatives

We want to help you finish what you start and create more art, less content, more stories, fewer strategies, and to get past limiting beliefs, imposter syndrome, and perfectionism.

Get out of your own way and into flow. Finish what you started because mazing things happen on the other side of finished.

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